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akira625 said: Not listing the individual animators in the credits was a common practice with American cartoons made during the 80s-90s. The times they did show the names, it was often the same names for each episodes.
Any time they do make an effort to diversify the names is a godsend, but mistakes can still happen. Continuing with what Marc said, the credits for most of these shows generally represent the overall crew rather than the actual cast for single episodes. TV syndication credits aim to include as many important cast members as possible since they are seen more often, but in reality, some of them could have only worked on a single episode out of an entire season.
Anihunter said: Yep, Real Ghostbusters did it, even though the episodes always had different animators attached to them. Then you got companies like Ruby-Spears or Marvel who just outright never brothered to give proper credit for a long time to either animators or the studio they worked with.
hell, this is an issue with Anime even to this very day where animators of outsource houses, even the veteran ones (or companies like Madhouse, TMS or J.C. Staff when they do contract work for another company) will often leave out their animators when it comes time to credit them for a given episode. Think that, but amplified ten-fold for Western outsourcing.
I have never really gotten why this is, whether its politics, credit restrictions or just the industry, regardless of region, just being ungrateful clowns to the people who actually work on their shows. Hell, when it comes to Japanese outsourcing, I wouldn't be surprised if the lead studio for these Western cartoons (be they Toei, TMS, KKC&D, et.al) never kept track of who did what themselves. I certainly know Toei rarely gave proper credit to its outsource partners on their anime titles back in the 70s and 80s.
The closest I came to seeing any documentation from any of these companies regarding how they credited individual scenes is this master retake list for an episode of TMS's Bionic Six.
As you can see, the credits are separated into two studios (TOKYO and LA) and the page text itself is in English, so something is definitely being lost in these pages. It does give the hint though that any actual animator identifications would of been done at their corresponding studio.
WHYx3 said: The closest I came to seeing any documentation from any of these companies regarding how they credited individual scenes is this master retake list for an episode of TMS's Bionic Six.
As you can see, the credits are separated into two studios (TOKYO and LA) and the page text itself is in English, so something is definitely being lost in these pages. It does give the hint though that any actual animator identifications would of been done at their corresponding studio.
I keep forgetting TMS had a branch in LA at one point. But it's rather annoying they don't go into further detail beyond which team did what on those sheets (and even less in the credits).
TMS animators were finally credited in the Tiny Toons movie How I Spent My Vacation, FTR. There were also some Korean names in there, suggesting a South Korean studio that TMS further outsourced to, that was uncredited.
ianl said: TMS animators were finally credited in the Tiny Toons movie How I Spent My Vacation, FTR. There were also some Korean names in there, suggesting a South Korean studio that TMS further outsourced to, that was uncredited.
Yeah, I also noticed names affiliated with Nakamura Pro (studio also uncredited, of course) also assigned to Inbetweening duties (starting with Mayu Yazawa until Tsutomu Suzuki; it's Korean names then on). Marking at least three known teams working on the film including the in-house TMS/Telecom staff.
As for the Korean team, it's got to be either Koko or Mizo Planning; as both were either working or owned by TMS during that time period.
Playing this side by side with the final version answers questions I didn't even know I had about Nakamura's relationship with the other hands that touched this scene - as well as understanding some of his core habits. Now it's easier for me to imagine the genga of his other works.
gestureflow said: I don't even know if this question makes sense:
Assuming the 1st key animator only provides layout, is the person who turns it into genga, credited as the 2nd KA?
I guess I'm just needing clarification what the 2nd KA is usually responsible for.
2nd key animation is a clean-up role that is a smaller part of the overall correction process, it isn't always necessary but when the work of the original rough genga of the key animators is too rough, unpolished, or flat-out unfinished. they go over the work and clean up what is needed. however, this specific clip is a mixture of finished Genga and unfinished rough genga which makes it look confusing.
PurpleGeth said: Norio's board, but not enough of his actual animation is present here to tag him in the same way we do for scenes in which he does genga, the debris for instance is enough to omit the tag imo.
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9 months agohttps://imgur.com/a/V5J8wYZ
As you can see, the credits are separated into two studios (TOKYO and LA) and the page text itself is in English, so something is definitely being lost in these pages. It does give the hint though that any actual animator identifications would of been done at their corresponding studio.
Anihunter
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8 months agoAs for the Korean team, it's got to be either Koko or Mizo Planning; as both were either working or owned by TMS during that time period.
Hitorio
almost 8 years agoPlaying this side by side with the final version answers questions I didn't even know I had about Nakamura's relationship with the other hands that touched this scene - as well as understanding some of his core habits. Now it's easier for me to imagine the genga of his other works.
gestureflow
over 1 year agoAssuming the 1st key animator only provides layout, is the person who turns it into genga, credited as the 2nd KA?
I guess I'm just needing clarification what the 2nd KA is usually responsible for.
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almost 3 years agoc3,4: Matsutake
c5: Yamashita possibly
c6-7: Tsumagari?
rest: unknown, possibly still Tsumagari
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