from atwiki:
Kuwana did "Retro jump" (could be the jump here but it's also extremely vague)
Koike did "car chase" (19s-end? very possibly full scene)

pretty unspecific source so I'm putting artist_unknown to be safe

PurpleGeth said:
pretty unspecific source so I'm putting artist_unknown to be safe

Yeah, exactly. That's why all you people insistently reuploading whole scenes to the booru just need to listen to the surplus complains and stop. 00:19 to 00:33 used to be uploaded by itself and was safely tagged as Koike's work, but now you've made it impossible for newcomers unfamiliar with his style to watch said cut lost in this whole scene and know it was his work.

There are exceptions, like when you did this last year with Innocence, because from a technical prospective that film is nothing but a scene-for-scene IG animator spotlight, but rarities aside, doing this will lead to little but confusion and an even harder time locating specific cuts on this site.

Please stop doing this.

If you're not familiar with how anime works, animators choose scenes to draw and not individual cuts. Therefore by uploading the entire scene, the majority of the time you are uploading the whole work the key animator was tasked with. Main exceptions to this exist on extremely long scenes, meltdown productions, and unforeseen circumstance where they're unable to turn in the full L/O which they willingly took. If you look at the rest of the confirmed Dead Leaves tags, for the most part, the whole scene belongs to the whole animator as usual (makes sense the movie schedule seems uncompromised).

Additionally, @randomsakuga is the #1 source for animator confirmations at the moment that doesn't involve DM'ing the animator directly. If the scene is split, they don't get additional confirmation, by keeping it together the chance the entire scene is properly credited is higher.

Hope that addresses all your rant-filled concerns

edit: for the record they edited their comment after the fact to sound much less rude :D

I'm not so utterly moronic as to lack any of the knowledge you just stated before making the criticism I did. I don't want to rehash my original post, but I think you missed the point (or, to be fair, I just presented it poorly). I'm not challenging the validity of the tags you're placing on your reuploads, I'm simply making the argument the reuploads themselves make sakugabooru less accessible to the community at large--remember, not everyone is as familiar with the technical/industry side of animation production as you or I--because it obfuscates certain cuts someone may be looking for within a larger scene which they may or may not understand to be relevant to the one they're looking for and/or drawn by the same artist they're interested in when the tags they're forced to reference include "artist unknown."

Either way, longer vs shorter uploads are ultimately up to user preference, so I didn't mean to mount an argument other than to state my own opinion on the matter and use this situation as a selfish excuse to explain why said opinion is what it is. I certainly didn't mean to vilify you as personally as you seem to have thought. And if I'm to play Devil's advocate, your uploads are usually of a higher quality than the original cuts, many of which are five-six year old uploads, so it's not like I'm calling you the cancer of the website. I'm just saying why I personally think such long, combinatory uploads aren't constructive to browsing and should stop.

Thanks

SingleH said:
00:19 to 00:33 used to be uploaded by itself and was safely tagged as Koike's work,

Bold statement considering many posts tagged without presumed (mostly sourced from sakuga wiki) turned out to be wrong or incomplete. Many old post were uploaded and tagged according to sakugawiki and old sakuga MADs and we've seen countless time that it wasn't necessarily the optimal way to present the works of the animators (and that's not counting when it was outright wrong)
Sure it can be annoying to constantly see reposts but it has to be done at one point either way. We tag unknown where there is a doubt to prevent repeating the same mistakes.

There may be additional confusion here, the mass replacement spam you've been seeing of late is an effort to replace uploads which are in the incorrect FPS, not a crusade to have the full scene up for every post.

3 of the most veteran uploaders to the site had roughly 1000 uploads apiece mostly in 30, 25, or 19 FPS.

On the topic of accessibility:
It's not so much the case anymore but I remember the site being extremely hard to navigate when I was still learning. Sadly, moebooru wasn't made for the purpose of showing off animation and so things like the inability to order posts manually means they exist by default in the order they were uploaded. When you have 3 different users upload different parts of the same scene across 3 years it becomes pretty disorganized from a browsing perspective, especially if you're unfamiliar with the series, or if the series has many parts (im@s, Conan).

As far as diluting certain cuts goes, yes, for this particular case it's not so clear anymore what Koike did but that's true for experienced users as well as new ones. The source on atwiki (if it can even be called a source) isn't clear and so we're all wondering what Koike and Kuwana did exactly. Thankfully there are many helpful insiders and people who talk to animators who tag posts secretly, I recommend checking the 'history' tab often. Wouldn't it be more ideal if when they went to credit the scene the whole thing was up instead of just 14 seconds of it?

Lastly if anyone is frustrated with being unable to pin down Koike's style here I recommend checking the other sixty or so uploads a lot of which are fully confirmed because Koike is a beloved god. post #20784 post #49187 post #120632 etc.

Oh. I legitimately had no idea there was an issue with FPS. I rarely download video from this site, let alone clean said video if I do, so I guess I just never noticed.

If your argument is the site is designed such that any decision we make will inevitably be wielding a double edged sword, then I wholeheartedly agree. While different people uploading different parts of a scene has never been an issue for me, the time differential most certainly has, and by combining all the cuts into one post, this issue is fixed completely (even if the new ones I’ve been complaining about are thusly born).

Though, I do disagree with your justification.
“Wouldn't it be more ideal if when [helpful insiders] went to credit the scene the whole thing was up instead of just 14 seconds of it?”
No, because there’s always the chance—like this very post, wherein Kuwana’s work is inserted into the middle of Koike’s—where multiple animators worked on a certain scene, and whether verified names are on the post or not, the fact multiple names appear in the first place contributes to the issue of vagueness.

And while I agree with your final call to action there, I can’t say I have much confidence in people adhering to it. I mean, in this particular case, the animator in question has such a distinct style, anyone whose seen a fair amount of his work—as you say—should have little trouble distinguishing which particular cuts are his key animation, but I know for a fact many haven’t the patience to do so, hence my desire for more specific postings. I’m not one to gatekeep, after all, and I’d like the community to be as easy to navigate as possible in hopes more casuals become enthusiasts, even if that means spoon-feeding.

Even now, I’m too stubborn to say I truly believe the longer uploads to be a good idea for all my aforementioned reasoning, but with you bringing the erroneous frame rates to the table, even I can’t decry an effort to remedy such an undeniably important issue.

Thanks

For the record since I suppose it hasn't been publicly stated all that much, we do decline a whole lot of replacements - some of which never even reach the site, since we've discouraged some efforts / told people to hold back momentarily if they wanted to do it at a time where users were burned out with replacements already. Unless something's broken on a technical level, or there's an opportunity to add more interesting footage, you'll rarely see new replacement batches because I'm aware it was upsetting some people. Continuity vs individual focused uploads is another debate entirely with no real correct decision, though!

Honestly its just so great seeing the scenes with better quality so thanks